Comments on: Fearing the Virtual Ecclesia

By: microclesia � Blog Archive » Flickering Pixels

microclesia � Blog Archive » Flickering Pixels — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:48:24 +0000

[...] in fact. I give a personal example of how physical and virtual presence compliment and synergize, here. Moreover, I see in my son’s tribe an emerging integration of physical and virtual. One has [...]

By: Dress-Down Friday | Moons, Red Dresses, and Trilogies » gathering in light - “Do not go gentle into that good night.”

Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:54:51 +0000

[...] of other people apparently: Scot McKnight Responds; Tony Jones Responds; Steve Knight Responds; Microclesia Responds; Martin Kelley also responded with his own YouTube [...]

By: brad

brad — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:15:12 +0000

Shane said, “[L]ittle did I know that my playful, unplanned, and hyberbolic rhetoric would become such fodder for beautiful, premeditated, textual analysis in so many places. Indeed, I was hardly attempting nuance. Spontaneous oral speech is ill suited to such content. It sucks the life right out of it.”

Well, I think I’m guilty of some of the suck-the-life-outta-it, for which I’m sorry. I think I spun into analysis mode and overassumed your view was only what you presented – not a good assumption ever, actually. And part of my response came out of my own context of frustration with trying to help groups develop “systems” so they can deal with the bigger issues of community.

Anyway, you make a good point about some in younger generations not being able to discern what community is. But, being raised with all this social media and such, their mindset is likely to build in a very different starting point-of-reference for the meaning of community. Their trajectory toward the Kingdom will come in at a different angle from ours, even though they need to arrive at the same goal.

Glad the internet and virtual everything did not catch God by surprise. Now we gotta figure out how best to address it …

By: Shane Hipps on Virtual Community

Shane Hipps on Virtual Community — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:27:13 +0000

[...] only a fraction of what face to face community provides. You can read discussions on the clip here, here, here, and here. So the video above is Shane’s response and clarification of his [...]

By: John

John — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:52:48 +0000

Thanks for the input Shane. I ordered your book – will read it and hope to pen a review. And will be looking for your reply to Scot at Out of Ur: (http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2009/02/scot_mcknight_o.html)

p.s., yes, speaking at TED was one of the most exhilarating experiences of my life. I was so excited that I fumbled some stats at the beginning of my talk, but got focused and did OK after that.

By: Shane

Shane — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:41:37 +0000

First, I couldn’t be more jealous that you spoke at TED. Well done.

Second, little did I know that my playful, unplanned, and hyberbolic rhetoric would become such fodder for beautiful, premeditated, textual analysis in so many places. Indeed, I was hardly attempting nuance. Spontaneous oral speech is ill suited to such content. It sucks the life right out of it.

Third, I agree with all of your critiques, save one. You said” Look.. I don’t know anyone who would argue that virtual community is a substitute for physical community.” I do. There is a growing legion of young people who can scarcely tell the difference. There is a subsequent rift emerging between parents and teens because of this very issue. It will only become more complex in the years to come. Just doing my part to help people identify what they intuitively know but don’t have words for.

Fourth, I’m posting a response to Scott McKight’s response to my video shortly if it interests you.

Fifth, thanks for your virtual love. I look forward to meeting you.

By: NextReformation MT // Just another Missional Tribe weblog

NextReformation MT // Just another Missional Tribe weblog — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:27:49 +0000

[...] Yesterday John LaGrou sent me a link to an interview with Shane Hipps at the NPC. Shane is making an argument based on the dialogical nature of media, “we create the media then the media creates us.” To me this is an important insight, derived originally from the Canadian analyst and author Marshall McLuhan. However, what Shane does with this argument is spin off some ideas that are difficult to defend. John has his own response posted HERE. [...]

By: The Blind Beggar

The Blind Beggar — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:01:09 +0000

[...] Some dialog on the subject can be found here, here and [...]

By: NextReformation » media, community, and virtuality

NextReformation » media, community, and virtuality — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:34:42 +0000

By: Jonathan Brink

Jonathan Brink — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:17:01 +0000

I found Shane’s four components to be the real value of his short dialog. They helped me create distinctions that describe so much of what we’ve been experiencing at Thrive.

But I would suggest that the distinction of virtual was actually perfect in regards to community. I personally love the interactions I have with those I meet online. They can to an extent have all four components. But I wonder if my perception of these relationships is virtual in a sense. They are less that I imagine.

But I have never in any way experienced the depth that comes from my own human tribe.