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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, I doubt that economic ideals will improve that quickly :-) though the potential for pure economic melt-down is very high, I fear. One way I&#039;m trying to &quot;be the change&quot; is by altering our companies towards B-Corporation ideals. www.bcorporation.net

Here&#039;s the charter:

We envision a new sector of the economy which harnesses the power of private enterprise to create public benefit. This sector is comprised of a new type of corporation - the B Corporation -
which is purpose-driven and creates benefit for all stakeholders, not just shareholders.

As members of this emerging sector and as entrepreneurs and investors in B Corporations, we hold these truths to be self-evident:

- That we must be the change we seek in the world.

- That all business ought to be conducted as if people and place mattered.
 
- That, through their products, practices, and profits, businesses should aspire to do no harm and benefit all.

- To do so requires that we act with the understanding that we are each dependent upon another and thus responsible for each other and future generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, I doubt that economic ideals will improve that quickly <img src='http://www.microclesia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  though the potential for pure economic melt-down is very high, I fear. One way I&#8217;m trying to &#8220;be the change&#8221; is by altering our companies towards B-Corporation ideals. <a href="http://www.bcorporation.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bcorporation.net</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the charter:</p>
<p>We envision a new sector of the economy which harnesses the power of private enterprise to create public benefit. This sector is comprised of a new type of corporation &#8211; the B Corporation -<br />
which is purpose-driven and creates benefit for all stakeholders, not just shareholders.</p>
<p>As members of this emerging sector and as entrepreneurs and investors in B Corporations, we hold these truths to be self-evident:</p>
<p>- That we must be the change we seek in the world.</p>
<p>- That all business ought to be conducted as if people and place mattered.</p>
<p>- That, through their products, practices, and profits, businesses should aspire to do no harm and benefit all.</p>
<p>- To do so requires that we act with the understanding that we are each dependent upon another and thus responsible for each other and future generations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Witham</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Witham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

&quot;I see this downturn as an amazing opportunity for social and cultural growth...&quot;

It seems to me that the debt that underlies this downturn is also a flywheel keeping us from adopting new ways of living: If consumerism dies so will the ability to pay the excessive debt--tragically, a moral in addition to an economic failure would result from adopting a more moral and responsible way of living. 

Has it come to that, or can we find economic ways to value non-consumer goods? It seems that churches and other non-profit organizations do that on a limited scale, governments on a much larger one. Perhaps employee-owned businesses that provide essential services are another way of fostering the &quot;right&quot; kind of capitalism? 

I&#039;m way over my head here, but I know this. The thinking you are doing in this post is CRITICAL. Thank you!

Tracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>&#8220;I see this downturn as an amazing opportunity for social and cultural growth&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that the debt that underlies this downturn is also a flywheel keeping us from adopting new ways of living: If consumerism dies so will the ability to pay the excessive debt&#8211;tragically, a moral in addition to an economic failure would result from adopting a more moral and responsible way of living. </p>
<p>Has it come to that, or can we find economic ways to value non-consumer goods? It seems that churches and other non-profit organizations do that on a limited scale, governments on a much larger one. Perhaps employee-owned businesses that provide essential services are another way of fostering the &#8220;right&#8221; kind of capitalism? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m way over my head here, but I know this. The thinking you are doing in this post is CRITICAL. Thank you!</p>
<p>Tracy</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Meditation</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Meditation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent content and style...keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent content and style&#8230;keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Fixing a broken system. &#171; Liam Kinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>Fixing a broken system. &#171; Liam Kinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worse than hearing good ideas and knowing they will be ignored.  This is from Microclesia&#8217;s A Debased Liberty. One thing is clear – creating massive amounts of new debt to bail out a failed financial system [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] worse than hearing good ideas and knowing they will be ignored.  This is from Microclesia&#8217;s A Debased Liberty. One thing is clear – creating massive amounts of new debt to bail out a failed financial system [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are excellent ideas, but it seems like the whole system is against anything except bailouts and trying to inject more life into a dying system.  It is frightening to watch the world&#039;s financial powerhouses fail to address the real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are excellent ideas, but it seems like the whole system is against anything except bailouts and trying to inject more life into a dying system.  It is frightening to watch the world&#8217;s financial powerhouses fail to address the real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George. I see greed as a very powerful force, and none of us are immune. Pragmatically, I&#039;m not sure anyone, or any government, can (or should) mandate consumption habits. But I do sense that we&#039;re heading into a serious, prolonged economic downturn in which many of us will be forced to learn how to live with less &quot;stuff.&quot; This is a great opportunity for Americans (and others on the top of the consumption pyramid) to retool their hearts and expectations. Living with less is healthy, but I&#039;m concerned that we have become so deeply initiated into a &quot;religion of economic growth at any cost&quot; that the structure itself may not allow for a graceful transition.   

I think the bailout of failed banks was a terribly unwise decision - I think it&#039;s going to cause far more damage in the long run than if we had simply let these failed banks die - I don&#039;t believe the world would have come to an end. The management teams behind these failed banks should be on the street with resume-in-hand, or flipping burgers. Instead, we have lavishly rewarded gross incompetency. 

I see this downturn as an amazing opportunity for social and cultural growth, but corporate-controlled media and political systems will not send this message. Instead, we will hear that an economic downturn is something to be feared, and that our governments (our taxes) must keep this system propped up at any cost. There are powerful forces at the highest global levels (energy, world banking, military-industrial, media, etc.) that are doing everything they can to sustain a largely unsustainable system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George. I see greed as a very powerful force, and none of us are immune. Pragmatically, I&#8217;m not sure anyone, or any government, can (or should) mandate consumption habits. But I do sense that we&#8217;re heading into a serious, prolonged economic downturn in which many of us will be forced to learn how to live with less &#8220;stuff.&#8221; This is a great opportunity for Americans (and others on the top of the consumption pyramid) to retool their hearts and expectations. Living with less is healthy, but I&#8217;m concerned that we have become so deeply initiated into a &#8220;religion of economic growth at any cost&#8221; that the structure itself may not allow for a graceful transition.   </p>
<p>I think the bailout of failed banks was a terribly unwise decision &#8211; I think it&#8217;s going to cause far more damage in the long run than if we had simply let these failed banks die &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe the world would have come to an end. The management teams behind these failed banks should be on the street with resume-in-hand, or flipping burgers. Instead, we have lavishly rewarded gross incompetency. </p>
<p>I see this downturn as an amazing opportunity for social and cultural growth, but corporate-controlled media and political systems will not send this message. Instead, we will hear that an economic downturn is something to be feared, and that our governments (our taxes) must keep this system propped up at any cost. There are powerful forces at the highest global levels (energy, world banking, military-industrial, media, etc.) that are doing everything they can to sustain a largely unsustainable system.</p>
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		<title>By: George Kao</title>
		<link>http://www.microclesia.com/?p=454&#038;cpage=1#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>George Kao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your eloquent and beautiful post (especially re: the need for more cooperative sense of living, with &quot;self-focused consumption habits stripped bare.&quot;)  

However, as a pragmatist, I&#039;m wondering what suggestions you might have for where do we go from here?  What do you suggest we do, as citizens, given this knowledge? (besides spreading the word about this post?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your eloquent and beautiful post (especially re: the need for more cooperative sense of living, with &#8220;self-focused consumption habits stripped bare.&#8221;)  </p>
<p>However, as a pragmatist, I&#8217;m wondering what suggestions you might have for where do we go from here?  What do you suggest we do, as citizens, given this knowledge? (besides spreading the word about this post?)</p>
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